Comments on: H.264 and Progressive Flash Video, QTIndexSwapper 1.4 update http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/ Informtation on Flex, Flash, ColdFusion, and general RIA web develoment. Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:35:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: jeremyBass http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-477564 jeremyBass Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-477564 Hello, a site I am debugging has run into this issue and your fix worked for all but one... flash player 10 IE combo... I have tested and tested and made change after change... the short is a non relocated moov atom works fine in IE with flash 10... (mostly) but nothing else , obeying as described in your write up works relatively in both IE and all if the player is 9+ but if it's 10... well in IE I’m sunk... I have written a lot about it in experts-exchange forums http://www.experts-exchange.com/Software/Photos_Graphics/Web_Graphics/Macromedia_Flash/ActionScript/Q_23916033.html the site in question is http://www.hellscanyonsportfishing.com/ ... and the full test page is http://www.hellscanyonsportfishing.com/testing now the thing is that I’ve been around and around... this setup is the least numbers of clients in a non-functioning state but as player 10 grows I'll be sol... care to ring in... thanks for the help jeremyBass Hello, a site I am debugging has run into this issue and your fix worked for all but one… flash player 10 IE combo… I have tested and tested and made change after change… the short is a non relocated moov atom works fine in IE with flash 10… (mostly) but nothing else , obeying as described in your write up works relatively in both IE and all if the player is 9+ but if it’s 10… well in IE I’m sunk…

I have written a lot about it in experts-exchange forums
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Software/Photos_Graphics/Web_Graphics/Macromedia_Flash/ActionScript/Q_23916033.html

the site in question is
http://www.hellscanyonsportfishing.com/ …
and the full test page is
http://www.hellscanyonsportfishing.com/testing

now the thing is that I’ve been around and around… this setup is the least numbers of clients in a non-functioning state but as player 10 grows I’ll be sol…

care to ring in… thanks for the help

jeremyBass

]]> By: Robert Scanlon http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-467479 Robert Scanlon Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-467479 Thanks Renaun, that is an extremely helpful tool. I too am using Vegas Pro 8 with MainConcept AVC and love the improved quality over On2V6 - but how to get it to progressive download? Until I found your neat tool ... many thanks! @ Crady - I have 9.0.124 and yes, .mov files will stream without loading first no problem in IE7 and FF, but an .mp4 rendered from Sony Vegas won't, so it's not only Macs :) Thanks Renaun, that is an extremely helpful tool. I too am using Vegas Pro 8 with MainConcept AVC and love the improved quality over On2V6 - but how to get it to progressive download? Until I found your neat tool … many thanks!

@ Crady - I have 9.0.124 and yes, .mov files will stream without loading first no problem in IE7 and FF, but an .mp4 rendered from Sony Vegas won’t, so it’s not only Macs :)

]]> By: Renaun Erickson http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-436388 Renaun Erickson Mon, 30 Nov 2009 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-436388 FYI, the source files are in the AIR application. Just right click on a non-Text area and click "View Source". FYI, the source files are in the AIR application. Just right click on a non-Text area and click “View Source”.

]]> By: Crady http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-403518 Crady Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-403518 HI, Your utility looks promising but I keep getting the following error: "ERROR: The MOOV atom is not located at the end of the file, the file is ready for progressive download or it is a invalid file Completed Time: 0.359s" I'm encoding my H.264 clips via QuickTime Pro 7.2 (from uncompressed QT originals). During export, I've tried enabling and disabling the "Prepare for Internet Streaming" but it makes no difference, QT Index Swapper just returns the above error. Very frustrating as I cannot export AAC audio in AE 7 so I'm forced to use QT. FYI -- I've tried creating both .MP4 and .MOVs without success. Any idea what I'm doing wrong during the encode process? As an aside, the really odd thing is it appears only Macs are affectted by the H.264 "streaming bug" that requires your utility. I develop on WIndows machines and have a Mac (with Flash 9.0.124.0) for testing. Windows machines with player 9.0.124.0 can HTTP stream H.264 MOVs in Flash without any problems at all. It seems only Macs require the clips be fully downloaded before playback begins. I've reported this to both Adobe and David Hassoun (author of: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/hd_video_flash_player.html) but no response. Thanks! -Crady HI,

Your utility looks promising but I keep getting the following error: “ERROR: The MOOV atom is not located at the end of the file, the file is ready for progressive download or it is a invalid file
Completed Time: 0.359s”

I’m encoding my H.264 clips via QuickTime Pro 7.2 (from uncompressed QT originals).

During export, I’ve tried enabling and disabling the “Prepare for Internet Streaming” but it makes no difference, QT Index Swapper just returns the above error. Very frustrating as I cannot export AAC audio in AE 7 so I’m forced to use QT.

FYI — I’ve tried creating both .MP4 and .MOVs without success.

Any idea what I’m doing wrong during the encode process?

As an aside, the really odd thing is it appears only Macs are affectted by the H.264 “streaming bug” that requires your utility.

I develop on WIndows machines and have a Mac (with Flash 9.0.124.0) for testing.

Windows machines with player 9.0.124.0 can HTTP stream H.264 MOVs in Flash without any problems at all. It seems only Macs require the clips be fully downloaded before playback begins.

I’ve reported this to both Adobe and David Hassoun (author of: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/hd_video_flash_player.html) but no response.

Thanks!

-Crady

]]> By: david johnston http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-388740 david johnston Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-388740 Hi, Your utility is very useful! Many many thanks. It's working well on output from Vegas using Main Concept. Significantly changes streaming. Any hints on how to get it to batch process clusters of files? (i tend to work with sets of clips that can be called dynamically into flash, so a batch process capable index swapper would be very very welcome) thanks again, David Hi,

Your utility is very useful! Many many thanks. It’s working well on output from Vegas using Main Concept. Significantly changes streaming.

Any hints on how to get it to batch process clusters of files?
(i tend to work with sets of clips that can be called dynamically into flash, so a batch process capable index swapper would be very very welcome)

thanks again,
David

]]> By: Guille http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-381611 Guille Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-381611 Hello Renaun, I'm having trouble using QTIndexSwapper with some videos, I get error #1000 and error #2029. It's strange because with the same video, sometimes I got the error and sometimes not. I have also videos that always fail. All of them are large videos (more than 200MB) Many thanks Regards, Guille Hello Renaun,

I’m having trouble using QTIndexSwapper with some videos, I get error #1000 and error #2029. It’s strange because with the same video, sometimes I got the error and sometimes not. I have also videos that always fail. All of them are large videos (more than 200MB)

Many thanks

Regards,
Guille

]]> By: Renaun Erickson http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-331364 Renaun Erickson Wed, 30 Nov 2011 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-331364 @Aran: I believe there is some solution you can find with H.264. You'll want to look at inserting the data under the moov atom and check out if they show up in the Flash Player's onMetaData event. I might get around to building an AIR metadata editor. @Aran: I believe there is some solution you can find with H.264. You’ll want to look at inserting the data under the moov atom and check out if they show up in the Flash Player’s onMetaData event. I might get around to building an AIR metadata editor.

]]> By: FLEX | 360 Atlanta | Day 2 | Circle Cube Studio http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-331196 FLEX | 360 Atlanta | Day 2 | Circle Cube Studio Sun, 30 Nov 2008 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-331196 [...] The flash player now supports H.264 format video files! This is great but one problem is the meta data is placed at the end of the file and therefore the video can’t be accessed until it is fully loaded to the end. The metadata (moov) needs to be loaded before the play knows how it’s indexed. Renaun showed a technique he’s been playing with. He has an AIR app that will move the meta data to the beginning of the file for viewing during progressive download! He also talked about other meta data, like album art, and stuff, he’s promised more links to be posted on his blog So far, here’s the source at Renaun’s site More info posted about H264 and Flash by Dave Hassoun at Adobe’s Developer Center [...] [...] The flash player now supports H.264 format video files! This is great but one problem is the meta data is placed at the end of the file and therefore the video can’t be accessed until it is fully loaded to the end. The metadata (moov) needs to be loaded before the play knows how it’s indexed. Renaun showed a technique he’s been playing with. He has an AIR app that will move the meta data to the beginning of the file for viewing during progressive download! He also talked about other meta data, like album art, and stuff, he’s promised more links to be posted on his blog So far, here’s the source at Renaun’s site More info posted about H264 and Flash by Dave Hassoun at Adobe’s Developer Center [...]

]]> By: Aran http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/comment-page-1/#comment-329544 Aran Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:00:00 +0000 http://renaun.com/blog/2008/02/25/250/#comment-329544 Hi Renaun. In regards to embedding metadata inside H264 files, can you insert arbitrary data like you can in FLV files? We have been adding motion tracking data to FLVs from After Effects ( as described here: http://blogs.adobe.com/keyframes/2007/10/creating_interactive_video_wit.html) on some projects, and I am wondering if H264 files will give us the same type of ability to add keyframe data, AS variables etc which can then be read via the Netstream class in Flash. Cheers, Aran Hi Renaun.

In regards to embedding metadata inside H264 files, can you insert arbitrary data like you can in FLV files?

We have been adding motion tracking data to FLVs from After Effects ( as described here: http://blogs.adobe.com/keyframes/2007/10/creating_interactive_video_wit.html) on some projects, and I am wondering if H264 files will give us the same type of ability to add keyframe data, AS variables etc which can then be read via the Netstream class in Flash.

Cheers,
Aran

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